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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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okay everybody whistles I could never

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whistle hey Tim O'Hara

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are you in Indiana tonight just

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whistling along - hey we've got it we've

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got a fascinating show tonight in fact

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you know I'm sitting here at my desk and

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my office recliner and I'm imagining

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that I'm back in Warminster England and

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it's the early 1980s and I'm there at

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cradle Hill with my friend Arthur

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shuttle wood now I'm sure that a good

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percentage of our listeners have heard

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of warminster and the appearance of the

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thing which haunted this town not too

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far from Stone Edge just a few miles

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from Stonehenge as the crow flies or the

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whatever flies out there and the

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monoliths fly or maybe they don't fly

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but where the crop circles cross their

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crop circles and UFOs certainly have

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been seen in that area for a long long

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time there's all kinds of legend legends

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about strange things in the sky and

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starting back into 1963 there was a UFO

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flap that lasted well certainly more

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than a decade with thousands of people

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coming from all over Europe and from the

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United States to witness UFO phenomena

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in several different areas there

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in fact a an associate of mine Bryce

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bond who was now deceased he worked for

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a local radio station here and he had

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called me one day and he said he was

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going over to England on a vacation and

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what could he do in his spare time and I

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suggested that he go and a chat up

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of the local newspaper in the warminster

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journal at the time and he came back he

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quit his job at a radio station where he

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was working as a disc jockey and went on

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to become a lecturer on metaphysical the

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subjects and a healer somehow he had a

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an abduction experience or walked into a

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UFO or something very strange happened

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while he was at the Cradle Hill he

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walked he saw a couple lights in the sky

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he walked into the field and apparently

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he disappeared for a period of an hour

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or so and when he came back he had this

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very bizarre a story to tell about

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meeting human looking aliens and and

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that's so very unattractive space woman

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so and so at your suggestion Tim yes

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this guy had really a life-changing

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experience yes he did yes well many

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people who have UFO experiences of

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course it does alter their their life

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now Bryce was remotely interested in the

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subject because the reason we had been

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in touch is that he would post the the

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meetings that we had UFO meetings I was

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every other week or so we would have

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meetings at one of the hotels along

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Times Square and he would announce it as

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a public service right and so you know

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played Frank Sinatra records and jazz he

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did not like rock and roll so we didn't

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have it we did not have a lot in common

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publishing his book unfortunately after

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experiences it's called UFOs keys to

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but so tonight we're going to go back

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and revisit warminster we're going to

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hear about the history of the town what

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happened there what people saw and

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perhaps find out what is still going on

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there if anything el our guest tonight

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I'm very happy to present is Steve will

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swim it on Facebook and he has a very

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upscale facebook page devoted to

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sightings current sightings past events

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at warminster and our old buddy Ben

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YouTube channel and travels around

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England and has done actually a

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documentary or self documentary on the

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town of warminster so without further

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ado I want to I will tell about my

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sighting there in a little while but I

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want to get to the meat of the matter

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then you did do a documentary on the on

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the subject which is up there on YouTube

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when did you first learn about

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warminster and why were you so

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interested in in following the the

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sightings there well I first heard about

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it through my interest in UFOs generally

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and I met Steve I know Steve and I've

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met him a few times and there was an

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event um last year to celebrate the 50th

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anniversary of the basically when a lot

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of people mark the start of the thing

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which was the the big event with the

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local authorities a town hall meeting

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which took place in August August 1965

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there was a 50th anniversary event of

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that which she took place 50 years to

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the day at a pub just up the road from

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the Town Hall called the Bell and it was

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amazing a really great event where I

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think hundreds of people more people

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attended and it's apparently it was the

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longest and UFO flap ever and it lasted

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from the mid 1960s right up to the early

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1980s and some of the sudden encounters

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and reports are really quite remarkable

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night actually he was telling about

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books shall woods books and quite man

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soon because they got an old copy of one

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of them but I'm glad they're coming back

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out into print and one the one guy

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reported for instance and some people

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had strange beings as well as seeing

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things in the sky and there are things

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like big long pokers hot pokers in the

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sky which exploded in light and things

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and then there was a guy up at Star Hill

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he he was driving up there in 1970 any

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him one of the men in black and so it's

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really amazing occurrences now this and

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just a short distance from Warminster is

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the defense training estate which is a

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Ministry of Defense property which is

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basically used as a training center for

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soldiers and it's a very large area

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hundreds of square miles and a lot of

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the UFO skeptics they they basically say

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the thing is nothing more than activity

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basically as flares there's trace of

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fire from weapons there's loud noisy

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CITIC stares like the explosions which

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she was just exploding ordnance from the

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defense training estate its helicopters

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another strange aircraft which is

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basically what people were seeing in the

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sky but I mean them people who live in

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that area they pretty quickly get to

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know these things I mean Kevin Kevin

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me they they're familiar with these

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sites it's not it's not like these

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things just appeared overnight war

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ministers right next to the defense

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people they're used to the normal things

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in the sky this was no doubt is highly

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unusual and the people in the town and

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something highly unusual other what and

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reacted the way I did the the actual

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1995 town hall meeting was so packed out

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people had to stand outside because

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there weren't enough room for everyone

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now there were there was other odd

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phenomena reported I mean you mentioned

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invisible beings I know

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Arthur shuttle would tell me while I

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when I was there that he could actually

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hear the sound of somebody like

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trampling through the the brush near

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where he was standing and he wasn't the

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only person to hear this and they also

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even saw the the brushin and the and the

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terrain actually moved as if somebody

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was walking along there and apparently

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the outline of a very tall figure and

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seven feet tall then they also had the

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phenomena of missing time now not

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missing time in the sense that people

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were being abducted although that did

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happen to my friend Arthur shuttle would

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they reported that there was all sorts

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of weird phenomenon with their watches

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and their clocks at home so that they

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were missing time in the sense that time

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was going backward and and forward I

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mean it was just a whole it wasn't just

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author and in some you know UFO wannabes

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or UFO buffs it would it was the local

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banker it was the postmaster I mean

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these were a people of a pretty high you

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know caliber they weren't the type of

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people to have made any of this up in

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fact you know Arthur started out as a

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skeptic on this he like I said was a

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pretty typical journalist I don't think

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he never reported on a UFO sighting in

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his life and it firstly kind of a

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discredited or poo-pooed the whole

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phenomena but then as more and more

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at the newspaper he went out and he

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started seeing these things in the sky

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for himself and plenty of photo of

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course you you guys would have to agree

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plenty of photographic evidence there

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was a fellow there who I met his name

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was Bob strong he was a retired RAF

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fighter pilot and this guy had six or

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seven photo albums full of UFO photos he

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would take his tripod and he would mount

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it on the top of the you know his car

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and they'd go out to you know star

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cradle hill and all these weird objects

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some of that look like giant bats some

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look like trains some look like hula

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hoops I mean you name it and he

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photographed it unfortunately he had all

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these kind people would come by and say

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geez you know Bob I'd really like to

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make a copy of that photograph and then

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the picture again hmm and so so a lot of

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the photographs that he took had vet by

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time I got there in the early 1980s had

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completely vanished which was

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unfortunate but he did it he did have uh

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some to show me and some of which we've

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published in the in the various books

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and articles that we've put out on

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warminster and and so I did have a

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sighting there I I'm back I was invited

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by my friend the Earl of clan carny

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Brinsley Laporte Trent to speak to with

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this UFO group that was that they had

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set up at the House of Lords an official

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UFO group but now I took the train out

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to warminster and went out with Arthur

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enough come along about 10 o'clock at

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sky kind of blinking and flashing and

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bobbing and weaving and Arthur went to

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the trunk of his car and came out with

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he called it a flashlight but this was a

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huge torch light and blinked at the

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object blink blink blink blink blink and

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the object seemed to maneuver in the sky

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pretty much in response to his blinking

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the torch light added and then he gave

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the torch light to me and I blinked it

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blink blink blink blink blink and and

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sure enough it seemed to bob and weave

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as if responding to my trying to

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communicate with it and we watched the

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object I would say for a good 10 minutes

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or so and then the cloud covering came

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and it started to rain and we freaked

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out and left not because of the year not

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because of the UFO but because of the

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weather

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a typical Britain and but we did we did

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have a not only saw the UFO now by this

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time though there were no crowds

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I mean the crowds had vanished I guess

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it's at some point would you say Steve's

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that there were there were groups of

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yeah I I know that they they claimed

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that there were quite a few celebrities

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like David Bowie Mick Jagger that went

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up there and had UFO sightings

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themselves I guess it was the the place

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to to be and I don't think that anybody

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was really disappointed I don't suppose

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there were sightings you know every

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night of the week but enough to keep

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everybody's appetite wet and and coming

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in you know coming back to see what they

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might now Tim had you read up on the

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subject I mean were you familiar with it

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before our interview tonight our

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conversation oh definitely definitely I

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mean you know the the war minister thing

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had I think I read about it very early

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on and that's one of the things that I'm

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curious about and maybe maybe somebody

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can answer this is had there been any

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other kind of activity in that area

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before the initial flap you know what

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started in what was at 62 63 something

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like that I mean or did all of this just

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kind of just explode out of nowhere you

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know I'm looking at a an article posted

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on Kevin Goodman's page on Facebook

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which everybody should actually go to

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and read up on this and he says that the

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the actual first sighting was May 19

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1965 the report came in to Arthur

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shuttleworth from Hilda a lady by the

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name of Hilda hedge bridge who informed

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shuttle would that three times during

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the week she saw unusual objects in the

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sky she first related this to the fleet

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street you have UFO a group who passed

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the information on to

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shuttle would I don't know how

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spectacular the the sightings were but I

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I think they did grow in intensity as

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the weeks passed that I guess it almost

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seems as if they were trying to get the

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attention of people I mean in MO in most

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UFO sightings you know an object appears

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and then it disappears maybe you might

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have a flap that lasts for a few days or

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a week at the most

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but this was persistent on a regular

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basis for like I say probably close to a

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decades there were books written on the

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subject books still being written on the

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the subject hundreds if not thousands of

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UFO sightings was there ever a been

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anything issued about the the flap over

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war of warminster by the minister of

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defense ministry that's not to my

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knowledge I mean there was as you refer

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to the House of Lords I know that soon

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that the atom of the Admiral of the

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fleet Lord Hill Norton who was actually

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a chairman of the very he's most

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seasoned man in charge base in charge of

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the UK armed forces and he was on the

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organizing committee for NATO he

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commanded a ship during the Battle of

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the Atlantic in world war ii he's very

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high-level man some not some loony and

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he was very very keen on the idea of

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this should be taken seriously the whole

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UFO phenomenon should be taken seriously

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everywhere and he I think he was aware

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of the war minister thing and I mean you

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spoke to him yourself you met the man

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and he passed away now sadly

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it's what what strikes me is it's the

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warminster things very very similar to

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the Mothman phenomena of West in your

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part of the world where you know we're

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going to be breaking away for a couple

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of minutes and then we're going to come

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and ting Swartz and we are back

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tonight talking about the warminster

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thing and Steve wills we have little a

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little trouble with your connection

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first half hour of the show but I think

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we've got that fixed you're sounding a

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lot better now so let's let's continue

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this conversation I wouldn't ask you

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what got you interested in the

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warminster thing or you know maybe just

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a whole UFO phenomenon in general well I

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mean for me personally obviously when

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the height of the the thing or the

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womans the phenomena I was a little bit

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too young I mean I was about when I was

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13 in about 1983 there was a series of

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magazines that came out with been might

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be aware of called the unexplained now

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these were a magazine is a I think it

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was fortnightly published

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might even be monthly but it bill up

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over over the weeks and months and then

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of course this covered all also a 40 and

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a sort of things from spontaneous human

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combustion to ghosts to UFOs the whole

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things are yeah that's what initially

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got me into it and later on I obviously

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picked up books regarding warminster in

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particularly but yeah I mean that that's

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where it I'm sort of started for me just

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an interest of reading the books and

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magazines published at the time yeah you

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know they actually here in the here in

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the United States they actually made a

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series of books from those magazines oh

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yes in the US okay yeah yeah so I mean I

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used to write I may still have a few

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years

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shoes by the time I was old enough to be

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able to find them they were already out

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of print but I got him on you know I can

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use bookstores and and and things like

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that so with the warminster thing now

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the the first reports that started

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coming in dealt rather with a with a

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strange sound that people were hurried

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rather than people seeing things flying

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around on the sky am I correct on that

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yeah that's right I mean there was a

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whole host of sounds that started in

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1964 around the Christmas time

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incidentally yeah people would say that

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you know the the sound of their roofs

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would collapsing or the the roof tiles

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are being lifted or something was being

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scraped across the surface of the roof

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in some cases there was no it sounded

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like the roof the chimney stack was

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falling in for people to go outside and

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you know to say that nothing had

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happened so it is almost like a

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trickster element to some of this stuff

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hmm well now uh what's what people

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started seeing the actual UFOs were they

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still hearing the sound same oh man I

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think it's how the a lot of people ask

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how you know that the phrasing was

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coined that the thing I mean I I I kind

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of believe it was because in the first

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edition of the strange sounds that

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people who were here in it was a kind of

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ambiguous and I think that then later on

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rolled out to the UFOs UFO sightings as

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well but yeah I think I think I think

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there was one woman who actually heard

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the sound and saw what she described as

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a ball of light in conjunction with it

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yeah so I think the sounds are heard for

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five four to five months prior to the

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UFO sightings I think that's kind of

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generally accepted and then from there

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on him these people were were seeing you

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know all these saw strange sort of

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elliptical shapes cigar shapes and you

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know and these orange balls of light we

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Arthur cleaned the phrase of amber

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gamblers that's a good name what about

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patterns I mean were there any any kind

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of patterns to these sightings you know

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like people see them you know especially

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on Wednesday nights or you know

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something along those lines

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what Wednesday not the old John keel

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sort of premise and I think they were

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pretty spread really evenly spread but a

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lot of the initial sightings were

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actually seen across the town as opposed

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to you know going out to the hills I

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think Arthur's the one in kind of first

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going to you know the whole sky watching

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thing in fact I think pretty much UK

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gets its sky watching context from

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probably people like after Sherwood will

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actually kind of took to the hills

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around warminster but you know it when

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we look at the phenomena we have the

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initial sort of 64 spraying sounds which

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then kind of went into the UFO sightings

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of 65 66 by that time there was you know

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a real premise of sky watching from the

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hills and therefore a lot of the

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sightings for Mehran in a wall from

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these kind of points of clay clay Hale

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Cradle Hill or Starr Hill battles burry

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and Lourdes Hill yeah that's where a lot

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of this or second second wave of

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sightings was seen if you like mm-hmm

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you are now nowadays people a lot of

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times associate UFO sightings with being

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close to two military bases was that was

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that taken into consideration there at

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the time I mean not so much by the

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skeptics you know saying that yeah the

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you know people were just seeing you

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know things going on but I mean did did

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you know anyone there in Warminster you

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know consider that there may have been a

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connection with all this in the the

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military base

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well yeah I mean as I think been said

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earlier on I mean warminster is right on

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the cusp of the souls be plane which is

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the British Army's too kind of proven

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and training ground right right up near

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cradle here is sits the land warfare

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Center which was previously known as the

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school of infantry and as you say if you

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go on there certain nights you can see

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Flair's tracer fire you know new visits

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you know the army conducting different

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exercises and the like but yeah pretty

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much the local people kind of know if

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you like you know what's what people but

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I mean like say I'm pretty sure some of

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that stuff could be accounted I mean you

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know you know it's you know some of even

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some of the earliest set in these

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satellites of the sort of 60s passing

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you know yeah I think you know there

530
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must have been a prosaic explanation for

531
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some of it but you know I think there's

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one woman described it she saw what she

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described as a railway carriage in the

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sky now I don't know anything what the

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Army's got or any of the military which

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could account for that you know well

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yeah it's it's hard to say sometimes

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what the military may have up well well

539
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I saw some of those photographs that bob

540
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stronger took and there were a couple of

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them that looked like trains in the sky

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no doubt about it now undoubtedly some

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were taken on their you know time-lapse

544
00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:29,190
with time-lapse photography so I

545
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:31,320
couldn't tell ya you know it's it's kind

546
00:26:34,999 --> 00:26:33,090
of hard hard to judge with having

547
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:35,009
without having the photographer here to

548
00:26:39,739 --> 00:26:37,980
ask you know important questions but I

549
00:26:42,859 --> 00:26:39,749
had another thing it's just dawn let me

550
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:42,869
happen to me okay so I had the siding

551
00:26:47,899 --> 00:26:45,720
and and we watched like I say this

552
00:26:51,019 --> 00:26:47,909
object seemingly maneuver above our

553
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,029
heads in the sky now you know it wasn't

554
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:52,799
it wasn't very large I mean I would say

555
00:26:56,989 --> 00:26:55,919
that it was a size of maybe a basketball

556
00:27:00,139 --> 00:26:56,999
or something but there's no way to

557
00:27:01,790 --> 00:27:00,149
determine how high up it really was okay

558
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:01,800
so I took some photos

559
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:04,590
now none of the object because I knew

560
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:06,540
that that wasn't gonna come out but

561
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,700
there was a lady there I believe from

562
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:11,760
Scotland who was visiting if she had

563
00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:14,070
come out on her own sky watch while her

564
00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:15,630
husband sat in the car because he was a

565
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,830
disbeliever and didn't want to get

566
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:19,020
involved and it turned out she was so

567
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:21,090
surprised them to me she knew who I was

568
00:27:25,340 --> 00:27:23,490
and that she of course knew who Arthur

569
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:25,350
shuttle would wasn't he he hadn't been

570
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,170
out there neither had the Bob strong for

571
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,000
I guess quite a while but since I was

572
00:27:34,730 --> 00:27:32,820
all the way from the the States they

573
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:34,740
decided you know to take me and of

574
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:36,210
course we were lucky enough to have this

575
00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:38,450
sighting okay so I took some photographs

576
00:27:44,540 --> 00:27:42,990
in the complete darkness and when the

577
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:44,550
photographs they were slides were

578
00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:50,090
developed on the last two slides behind

579
00:27:54,530 --> 00:27:53,040
the the woman and I think Arthur or

580
00:27:56,110 --> 00:27:54,540
maybe was a woman and her husband if he

581
00:28:01,910 --> 00:27:56,120
had gotten out of the car by that time

582
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,920
were these zigzag lines somewhere in the

583
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:03,120
sky in the background

584
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:04,740
you couldn't tell how far away they were

585
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:07,230
anything but I've seen this same kind of

586
00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:11,930
pattern and photographs that other

587
00:28:18,050 --> 00:28:14,340
individuals contactees and silent

588
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:18,060
contactees have taken like Stella

589
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:20,730
Lansing Tim you know took all these

590
00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:23,100
weird well you know I can't find the

591
00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:25,230
color slides now of course I like I say

592
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:27,750
this was in the early 1980s and I have

593
00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:29,970
no doubt no idea where they are I did

594
00:28:32,780 --> 00:28:31,590
print one of them I know in the black

595
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:32,790
and white but I can't even tell you

596
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:34,530
where that is but that was another

597
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:37,320
strange event that kind of culminated

598
00:28:42,050 --> 00:28:40,410
the the night so there were all kinds of

599
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,060
strange things that were being seen in

600
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:45,360
the in the sky but anyway were there any

601
00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:47,820
patterns I mean as far as the days of

602
00:28:53,050 --> 00:28:50,790
the week or or when they were at the

603
00:28:56,860 --> 00:28:53,060
times at night when they might appear

604
00:29:07,000 --> 00:28:56,870
I'm just one thing I feel like I said to

605
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:07,010
Tim the other Tim like he had him too I

606
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:10,050
think of a pretty year you know broad

607
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:11,490
really I don't think there was any

608
00:29:15,619 --> 00:29:15,240
specific all other than was seen you

609
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:15,629
know

610
00:29:24,619 --> 00:29:20,600
in the sky is after we describe them

611
00:29:26,869 --> 00:29:24,629
lits yeah so that yeah most of them

612
00:29:29,299 --> 00:29:26,879
would have been at night nocturnal ones

613
00:29:30,979 --> 00:29:29,309
but yeah I mean I think it was quite an

614
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:30,989
even spread really in terms of the

615
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:33,059
sightings and we've seen in the daytime

616
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:36,659
I'm not sure about days of the week in

617
00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:39,090
particular yeah that would probably be

618
00:29:43,729 --> 00:29:41,190
meaningless anyway because if you had a

619
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,739
thousand sightings one one hour in one

620
00:29:47,869 --> 00:29:45,600
day is going to show up Nord anything

621
00:29:49,820 --> 00:29:47,879
else I never considered even John keels

622
00:29:51,979 --> 00:29:49,830
thing Wednesday night at nine o'clock to

623
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:51,989
be too much of a pattern I mean because

624
00:29:55,339 --> 00:29:54,210
of some hour there's got to be more

625
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,349
sightings than the other if you're

626
00:30:00,619 --> 00:29:58,559
accumulating hundreds of reports but

627
00:30:04,099 --> 00:30:00,629
Steve did you ever have a sighting there

628
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,109
I mean yeah I mean we've seen from

629
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:06,899
cradle he'll walk again what Arthur with

630
00:30:13,849 --> 00:30:10,559
the snipers elect light lit soar lights

631
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:13,859
in the sky which you know a you know

632
00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:17,220
I'll buy the very kind of definition

633
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:19,590
anomalous but I mean you know I wouldn't

634
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:21,659
sort of Naomi sales on the maps didn't

635
00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:23,700
say that you know that was some sort of

636
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:27,269
interplanetary craft of sorts but yes we

637
00:30:30,379 --> 00:30:29,159
see creasing source strange lights and

638
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:30,389
it's no yeah for sure

639
00:30:33,589 --> 00:30:32,940
now I opened this up to it to both of

640
00:30:36,499 --> 00:30:33,599
you to comment

641
00:30:40,249 --> 00:30:36,509
I believe wasn't you Steve that sent me

642
00:30:43,969 --> 00:30:40,259
a video of the astronomer Patrick Moore

643
00:30:47,629 --> 00:30:43,979
is that okay yeah who apparently had it

644
00:30:49,129 --> 00:30:47,639
had a sighting and all there and nobody

645
00:30:52,849 --> 00:30:49,139
knows about it because of course he was

646
00:30:55,129 --> 00:30:52,859
you know very anti UFO very skeptical as

647
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:55,139
far as the appearance of unexplained

648
00:31:03,259 --> 00:30:58,679
phenomena in the sky yeah I mean are

649
00:31:05,289 --> 00:31:03,269
appeared in a documentary and now can

650
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:05,299
you speak the Newseum which was a

651
00:31:11,899 --> 00:31:09,299
documentary which was hosted by the yes

652
00:31:14,659 --> 00:31:11,909
domina british astronomer patrick moore

653
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:14,669
now yeah apparently they were a punk

654
00:31:21,109 --> 00:31:18,659
Fadel hill and a couple of times there

655
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,119
was a you know an object went across the

656
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:24,299
top of the cops which practic more

657
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:27,539
actually was there and observed now this

658
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:29,460
wouldn't actually insert

659
00:31:35,870 --> 00:31:32,940
to the BBC documentary for whatever

660
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,880
reason so we'll never know whatever that

661
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:37,919
was a satellite which Patrick Moore

662
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:40,770
contended it was or it was something a

663
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:46,260
little bit more exotic if you like even

664
00:31:51,139 --> 00:31:48,120
if it was something more exotic he never

665
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:51,149
would have admitted it probably not yeah

666
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:54,000
well now what's a Patrick Moore wasn't

667
00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:56,299
he alleged to have also have written the

668
00:32:03,350 --> 00:31:59,520
book what was it flying saucers from

669
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:03,360
Mars yeah you all see the book and a

670
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:05,640
pseudonym I can't remember the title of

671
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:08,039
the book yeah Cedric's said was it

672
00:32:14,529 --> 00:32:10,890
Cedric alikum yeah that's it yes yeah

673
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:14,539
because we have a reprint of the book

674
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:18,210
yeah yeah of course I believe that we we

675
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:21,210
combined that one it's a from the golden

676
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:24,210
era of flying saucers attendant we

677
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:26,610
combine them one with Dino crack respond

678
00:32:37,630 --> 00:32:30,480
Ian's a contact II story from South

679
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:37,640
America and now the the photographs by

680
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:40,770
Allingham are quite I guess you would

681
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,090
say spectacular

682
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:44,700
they resemble almost entirely Georgia

683
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:48,000
damn skis pictures now of course UFO

684
00:32:53,180 --> 00:32:50,520
photos are fairly easy to fake even in

685
00:32:57,980 --> 00:32:53,190
those days perhaps easier to fake now

686
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,990
than back in the early 1950s but the

687
00:33:04,180 --> 00:33:00,000
thing that that book had going for it

688
00:33:07,159 --> 00:33:04,190
was a photograph of a Martian right

689
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:07,169
except that the the Martian was walking

690
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:10,679
away from the camera so you never and it

691
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,700
was and it was kind of blurred and there

692
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:16,080
were there was there was a photograph

693
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:19,770
release of supposedly of the author who

694
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:23,010
didn't look like the astronomer at all

695
00:33:32,269 --> 00:33:26,460
no no yeah yeah I mean he obviously put

696
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:32,279
a beard on somebody that's one of the

697
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:35,460
that's one of the classic possibly a

698
00:33:40,129 --> 00:33:36,690
hoax

699
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:40,139
contact stories I mean it's a good it's

700
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:41,850
a good story and I think the book did

701
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:43,380
very well

702
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,440
for its time following on the heels of

703
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:49,260
Georgia damn skis uh flying saucers have

704
00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:55,080
landed when our only uncurious gentlemen

705
00:34:03,380 --> 00:33:58,020
and you know either one of you can can't

706
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:03,390
can answer this how long did it take for

707
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:07,380
the the story to get out you know like a

708
00:34:13,310 --> 00:34:11,210
you know across across the nation and

709
00:34:16,850 --> 00:34:13,320
and then you know like the out-of-town

710
00:34:19,850 --> 00:34:16,860
crowd start started to show up to see

711
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:19,860
for themselves well I think you know I

712
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:22,610
think as I've said before I think the

713
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:26,190
the golden faulkner photo was pivotal in

714
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:30,810
terms of since that photo kind of came

715
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:34,169
out that went into the Daily Mirror

716
00:34:42,890 --> 00:34:40,110
which is a daily tabloid newspaper over

717
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:42,900
here as soon as that kind of went into

718
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,210
the into the pages of The Daily Mirror

719
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:46,980
which they they actually printed a whole

720
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,730
Center page spread about the phenomenon

721
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:53,280
I think of actually got got the I've

722
00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:56,490
actually got the clip in here but yeah I

723
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,680
think that was the pivotal point when it

724
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:01,440
kind of the you know the UK and perhaps

725
00:35:04,490 --> 00:35:02,820
the rest of the world had sort of heard

726
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:04,500
about the woman's the thing at that

727
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:06,300
point they probably only heard little

728
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,330
snippets here in there and I I mean are

729
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,920
we talking about you know like just uh

730
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:17,040
just a few people at a time or I mean

731
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:18,660
did the town get overrun for a while

732
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:21,720
well it did I mean something been said

733
00:35:28,940 --> 00:35:25,740
there on the August bank holiday over

734
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:28,950
here in the UK there was a like an

735
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:32,310
extraordinary me in which took place

736
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,350
where the you know the local town

737
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:36,540
councilor had to kind of allay the fears

738
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:39,630
of the good townspeople that the you

739
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:41,130
know the town wasn't actually being

740
00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:52,980
invaded by flying saucers well now when

741
00:35:59,300 --> 00:35:56,760
did okay so now we've gone

742
00:36:02,030 --> 00:35:59,310
from people hearing like strange noises

743
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:02,040
in the sky and then and then started

744
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:07,770
seeing UFOs when did people start then

745
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:11,090
having experiences with you know like

746
00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:16,320
alleged entities well I mean the thing I

747
00:36:21,740 --> 00:36:18,630
think a lot of that came from the actual

748
00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:21,750
peep a lot of people who actually came

749
00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:23,580
to the town and you know people would

750
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,550
sort of state you know stay you know for

751
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:28,680
holidays so they could kind of spy watch

752
00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:30,570
for me you know in and around the

753
00:36:37,340 --> 00:36:34,350
locations I think a lot of that stuff

754
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,350
occurred from you know the late 60s on

755
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:40,140
towards the 70s for some of the kind of

756
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:44,630
contact II type experiences yeah yeah

757
00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:48,900
well what I mean can you give us some

758
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:51,600
example of you know like some of these

759
00:37:02,660 --> 00:36:55,680
you know and entity reports well I mean

760
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:02,670
I think when Chris Trubridge he actually

761
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,880
were alleged to have seen a you know

762
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:08,160
some sort of object touching down in the

763
00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:13,170
field not far from cradle Hill and on

764
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:16,350
approach in there to his right hand side

765
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:19,710
he saw what he described as a 7-foot

766
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,510
tall humanoid tiny figure hmm this would

767
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:27,060
have been who I think this is tail end

768
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:29,490
of the seventies yeah but it was a

769
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:32,790
couple you know the arm has been been

770
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,650
will say you know Mike all them who

771
00:37:39,410 --> 00:37:36,720
someone who's known to both myself and

772
00:37:43,210 --> 00:37:39,420
ban he's had some strange experiences

773
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:43,220
around the star arm star Hill which he

774
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:45,780
be used to watch what he displayed was

775
00:37:51,710 --> 00:37:47,310
traffic coming down following the

776
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:51,720
contours of battles brie landed and you

777
00:37:57,860 --> 00:37:55,440
know he had a lifetime of contact e.type

778
00:38:00,500 --> 00:37:57,870
experience with with people he he could

779
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:00,510
he calls his space brothers you know I

780
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:04,920
mean you know yeah it's so kind of the

781
00:38:09,110 --> 00:38:06,960
skeptics and you know even the mesial

782
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:09,120
you know you find it kind of difficult

783
00:38:12,569 --> 00:38:10,690
believe that there's so

784
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:12,579
any kind of reports that they see in and

785
00:38:18,420 --> 00:38:16,480
around the area now you know didn't

786
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:18,430
these locations like Cradle Hill and

787
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:20,290
Starr Hill didn't they kind of have a

788
00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:23,650
history of weird things going on there I

789
00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:26,020
mean Star Hill obviously got its name

790
00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:28,270
from something a hundred years ago

791
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:30,750
but weren't there some urban legends or

792
00:38:36,270 --> 00:38:33,550
or folklore about other events that had

793
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,280
happened there yeah I mean that's well

794
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:39,520
you know the area is a kind of ancient

795
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:42,310
hill full aren't they anyway so I mean

796
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:45,510
they're steeped in mythology if you like

797
00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:49,089
but yeah clay Hill certainly which is a

798
00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:53,099
hill which is very close to the longleaf

799
00:38:59,550 --> 00:38:56,500
estate which is which is the UK's first

800
00:39:04,440 --> 00:38:59,560
kind of Safari Park there's a hill there

801
00:39:08,130 --> 00:39:04,450
which if you look at kind of ancient law

802
00:39:10,319 --> 00:39:08,140
there's stuff relating to fairies and

803
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:10,329
elementals and lights seen around that

804
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:13,390
hill right back you know right back to

805
00:39:19,339 --> 00:39:15,849
time immemorial so yeah it's certainly

806
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:19,349
an area which is steeps if you like in

807
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:25,810
myth and folklore yeah for sure so no

808
00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:28,210
real surprise then that that that has

809
00:39:34,349 --> 00:39:31,660
continued on into modern times with kind

810
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:34,359
of the modern and you know do get me

811
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:36,250
wrong when I say the modern mythology of

812
00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:41,050
UFOs because it seems to play into the

813
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:42,849
same kind of activities that's been

814
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:46,210
going on there from you know God knows

815
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:50,200
when yeah absolutely yeah I mean if you

816
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:55,569
look as tip as as Tim picked up you know

817
00:40:01,890 --> 00:39:58,410
we're about 17 miles away from

818
00:40:05,849 --> 00:40:01,900
Stonehenge so you know literally a

819
00:40:08,609 --> 00:40:05,859
stone's throw if you like the way he's

820
00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:08,619
very close nearby as you say you know

821
00:40:13,170 --> 00:40:11,560
are the crop circles which appear in and

822
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:13,180
around the kind of will quirk of

823
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:15,790
majority or in and around the Wiltshire

824
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:19,150
area so yeah I mean it's a place you

825
00:40:23,609 --> 00:40:21,250
know the Romans were you know fairly

826
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,619
close to around here you know

827
00:40:31,459 --> 00:40:25,599
and it's an area which as I say it's

828
00:40:38,609 --> 00:40:35,459
so when wouldn't Lee have sightings been

829
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:38,619
taking place at these locations well I

830
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:42,180
mean well what I'm currently working on

831
00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:45,569
as a contributor for a forthcoming book

832
00:40:53,339 --> 00:40:49,960
with John Hanson who there's the Haunted

833
00:40:57,839 --> 00:40:53,349
spy series which is almost an exciting

834
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:57,849
pedia of UFO sightings in the UK and

835
00:41:04,859 --> 00:41:00,960
Europe and the rest of the world now

836
00:41:07,229 --> 00:41:04,869
through tor research yet there have been

837
00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:07,239
a few sightings I mean most people

838
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:09,460
contend that the kind of warminster

839
00:41:16,589 --> 00:41:12,729
phenomena started in 65 and kind of

840
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:16,599
petered out towards the end of the 70s

841
00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:19,930
early 80s but yeah there's a you know

842
00:41:25,019 --> 00:41:22,180
we've I've I've certainly interviewed

843
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:25,029
people who've seen you know I have

844
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:28,569
reports but go on for the 80's 90's and

845
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:31,210
you know it is even a couple of reports

846
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:34,960
that you know into 2000 and 2005 but of

847
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:37,630
course you know not to the intensity but

848
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:40,660
it was back back then but yeah that

849
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:43,210
certainly people still see things well

850
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,930
note you sent me via Facebook a number

851
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:48,880
of photographs are these of recent

852
00:41:54,809 --> 00:41:52,569
vintage yes I mean some of those are

853
00:41:57,839 --> 00:41:54,819
taken by my cell phone a skywatching

854
00:42:01,859 --> 00:41:57,849
sort of team oh my goodness okay you

855
00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:01,869
know yeah I mean yeah if I can't

856
00:42:08,459 --> 00:42:04,630
remember what's fair is you were four

857
00:42:10,469 --> 00:42:08,469
there were four photos in a cluster yes

858
00:42:12,809 --> 00:42:10,479
yeah well these are things over you know

859
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:12,819
been taken by it by as in the last kind

860
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,200
of year I mean again we know sorry yeah

861
00:42:22,109 --> 00:42:19,839
all right here we go with a break coming

862
00:42:24,610 --> 00:42:22,119
up and we'll be back in just a few

863
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:24,620
moments

864
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:39,589
exploring the bazaars are your e-ticket

865
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:42,290
ride into the world of the paranoid

866
00:42:49,870 --> 00:42:45,570
strap yourself via me as we traverse the

867
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:49,880
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

868
00:42:58,460 --> 00:42:54,180
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology watch

869
00:43:02,960 --> 00:42:58,470
as well as other dimensions it's time to

870
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:02,970
take back the night now your

871
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:05,220
electrifying hosts of exploring the

872
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:18,800
well there goes that electricity again

873
00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:22,230
I'm electrified I tell ya more I'm all

874
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:23,820
charged up for the second half of the

875
00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:26,730
show adorned show

876
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:30,359
hey Ben Ben I have a question here okay

877
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,220
you've been involved in the the

878
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:34,560
paranormal now for how many how many

879
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:37,290
years oh it sees how that's hard to put

880
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:39,150
start to it cuz I'm like Steve I used to

881
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:41,190
read the unexplained I wish to watch

882
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:43,500
Arthur c-class mysterious world and when

883
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:45,690
I was one of I think I did that for as

884
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:47,630
long as I can remember

885
00:43:52,490 --> 00:43:50,730
well okay now when did you first hear

886
00:43:54,620 --> 00:43:52,500
about the warminster and have you ever

887
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:54,630
had anything strange happen to you out

888
00:44:00,829 --> 00:43:57,450
there well I heard about warminster and

889
00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,839
basic was when I visited it in 2010 it's

890
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:02,220
not probably not as famous as it should

891
00:44:08,059 --> 00:44:04,050
be really woman stirring on terms of the

892
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:08,069
the general UFO community I heard about

893
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:10,710
all kinds of things I got a copy of copy

894
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:12,630
of Arthur Shuttleworth book the first

895
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:15,030
edition one on off a stall out at a

896
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:17,579
conference and but I went there in 2010

897
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:20,910
I went back there last year and and of

898
00:44:26,089 --> 00:44:23,609
course I've met lots of people including

899
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:26,099
Steve himself who have talked to me

900
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,050
about this about this phenomenon this

901
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:31,260
the longest UFO flap in history I talked

902
00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:32,730
to Kevin Goodman just last night in

903
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,160
Houston talking to me about it and the

904
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:36,480
upcoming conference they got this year

905
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:42,150
and sure it's in August so confidential

906
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:44,850
Dave leaves in August and it's um

907
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:46,950
yes come an annual thing I think it'll

908
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:49,830
be an annual thing that's wonderful now

909
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:53,160
what okay the the the conferences

910
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:54,780
they're obviously open to the public and

911
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,240
I'm sure you get a lot of people who are

912
00:45:01,850 --> 00:44:59,700
just becoming familiar with the subject

913
00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:01,860
and with Warminster and the thing in

914
00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:05,430
general are there any of the original

915
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:06,840
witnesses showing up to tell their

916
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:10,290
stories what we had said Steve do we

917
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:16,200
have some last year I mean remember is a

918
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:20,010
lot of those original witnesses aren't

919
00:45:24,580 --> 00:45:21,990
no longer with us you know the passing

920
00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:24,590
of time we've lost a lot of them but

921
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,350
yeah I mean as people who had veteran

922
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:30,480
sky watches from the 70s in that which

923
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:33,540
were who turns up at the conference

924
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:36,930
which I co-organized with Kevin and

925
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:40,170
Colleen last year I think I think the

926
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:43,370
the the conference here is in September

927
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,140
believe early September yep first

928
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:48,960
weekend that's right how many how many

929
00:45:54,590 --> 00:45:51,090
years as the carpets been going on now

930
00:45:57,110 --> 00:45:54,600
oh wow last year with the 50th

931
00:45:59,810 --> 00:45:57,120
anniversary was the first one that I

932
00:46:02,980 --> 00:45:59,820
would involve with that it's been a

933
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:02,990
there's been a number before which will

934
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:08,850
which were 2010 and 2009 and 2010 there

935
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:11,910
was a couple event in the town yeah but

936
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:14,130
you know thanks to you I think Kevin and

937
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:16,050
calling this it's going to be an annual

938
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:19,470
thing now so yeah how many people have

939
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:23,070
been attending well last year we had I

940
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,410
mean the the the room we had was kind of

941
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:27,900
a moderate sized room and we had over

942
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:30,570
you know hundred and twenty hundred and

943
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,460
thirty people ended for the 50th

944
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,040
anniversary which you know it's you know

945
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:38,160
four has been said for a phenomena which

946
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:40,140
is kind of been forgotten was quite

947
00:46:47,650 --> 00:46:42,750
quite quite a lot of people attending

948
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,660
yeah so hopefully you know long May

949
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:49,800
let's hope we have an annual conference

950
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:51,570
yeah and the media were there and the

951
00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:53,370
media were involved oh yeah the BBC

952
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:55,080
Radio turned up and it was in the

953
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,760
national newspapers again covering last

954
00:47:00,049 --> 00:46:58,319
year's conference is really good

955
00:47:02,779 --> 00:47:00,059
well now there were there was a an

956
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:02,789
original town hall meeting in Warminster

957
00:47:09,259 --> 00:47:06,689
at the height of the UFO frenzy ended

958
00:47:11,209 --> 00:47:09,269
that didn't get that get about three or

959
00:47:14,029 --> 00:47:11,219
four hundred people show up and they all

960
00:47:15,380 --> 00:47:14,039
the mayor demanded an answer well no

961
00:47:17,689 --> 00:47:15,390
that no everyone could fit into the Town

962
00:47:18,739 --> 00:47:17,699
Hall it's sir Oh in the town's quite big

963
00:47:20,749 --> 00:47:18,749
I mean it's just down the road from the

964
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:20,759
pub where we had the meeting but I know

965
00:47:24,169 --> 00:47:22,619
that from that it was people they were

966
00:47:25,489 --> 00:47:24,179
so concerned this was a Sunday this

967
00:47:28,579 --> 00:47:25,499
happened notice it was an August bank

968
00:47:30,219 --> 00:47:28,589
holiday literally the 50s of the day

969
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,229
that we had our conference Wyndham

970
00:47:33,919 --> 00:47:32,400
getting people out on a Sunday to talk

971
00:47:36,049 --> 00:47:33,929
about anything is pretty hard but the

972
00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:36,059
people there were all packed in and some

973
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:37,529
people had to stand outside in the

974
00:47:43,099 --> 00:47:40,410
street but everyone was really concerned

975
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:43,109
and then they say obviously wasn't some

976
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:45,660
this was something very very unusual in

977
00:47:50,539 --> 00:47:48,359
that town this is kind of what happened

978
00:47:55,179 --> 00:47:50,549
in upstate New York here when they had

979
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:55,189
the the sightings in Westchester County

980
00:47:59,449 --> 00:47:58,049
they use big boomerang shaped objects in

981
00:48:01,939 --> 00:47:59,459
there that were being seen in the sky

982
00:48:04,459 --> 00:48:01,949
and they were coming over and hovering

983
00:48:05,989 --> 00:48:04,469
right over it made no sound hovered

984
00:48:08,689 --> 00:48:05,999
right over people's homes and over their

985
00:48:10,429 --> 00:48:08,699
automobiles and hundreds of people saw

986
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:10,439
and observed and photographed these

987
00:48:14,899 --> 00:48:12,359
things and they had a town hall meeting

988
00:48:18,259 --> 00:48:14,909
there which I attended dr. Hynek showed

989
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:18,269
up and Peter Gersten the UFO lawyer and

990
00:48:23,779 --> 00:48:21,359
they had about 300 or 400 you know

991
00:48:26,059 --> 00:48:23,789
people who demanded answers of course

992
00:48:27,439 --> 00:48:26,069
they never got any answers because what

993
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:27,449
kind of answers can you give people

994
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:30,209
except yeah there are unusual phenomena

995
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:33,209
in the sky and you know here we we asked

996
00:48:38,689 --> 00:48:36,209
for disclosure Ben right I mean and you

997
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:38,699
just interviewed the Steven Bessette did

998
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:42,569
just a little while ago what's your take

999
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:43,650
on disclosure

1000
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:47,089
well the disclosure with meaning the

1001
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:49,380
Frank and complete missions by the

1002
00:48:53,329 --> 00:48:50,729
government for everything they know

1003
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,339
about this phenomenon that is what we

1004
00:48:58,489 --> 00:48:56,880
don't that's it that's what Steve is

1005
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:58,499
campaigning for and a lot of other

1006
00:49:04,399 --> 00:49:00,599
people like dr. Steven Greer and others

1007
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:04,409
are campaigning for and the the idea is

1008
00:49:07,219 --> 00:49:05,729
that the government actually do know an

1009
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:07,229
awful lot that they're not telling us

1010
00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:09,650
for example they may well have

1011
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:11,660
a wreckage they may well have actually

1012
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:14,990
salvaged physical evidence in terms of

1013
00:49:19,269 --> 00:49:17,630
debris from crashed craft from the

1014
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:19,279
Earth's surface and they're not told us

1015
00:49:23,859 --> 00:49:21,049
told anyone about it and the Roswell

1016
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:23,869
incident of 1947 is the most famous by

1017
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:26,329
no means the only one of these possible

1018
00:49:30,819 --> 00:49:29,569
events and Steve basic wants the

1019
00:49:33,249 --> 00:49:30,829
government to come clean on everything

1020
00:49:36,339 --> 00:49:33,259
they know about that which it's like to

1021
00:49:38,769 --> 00:49:36,349
be considerable I mean you think that

1022
00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:38,779
the government who what branch of the

1023
00:49:43,749 --> 00:49:40,700
government knows about this and this is

1024
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,759
this is a good question because what do

1025
00:49:46,329 --> 00:49:44,960
you say government which government do

1026
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:46,339
you mean what kind of government do you

1027
00:49:52,089 --> 00:49:50,329
mean because it's yeah that's a good

1028
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:52,099
question it's becoming increasingly

1029
00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:54,170
clear the government is multi-layered

1030
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:57,950
and it has a large what I would say is a

1031
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,240
covert as super I think it's a level of

1032
00:50:06,249 --> 00:50:03,920
covert super government involved in this

1033
00:50:08,829 --> 00:50:06,259
world and I mean this is a big subject

1034
00:50:10,089 --> 00:50:08,839
and and I know that maybe not all the

1035
00:50:12,220 --> 00:50:10,099
listeners will go along with this but I

1036
00:50:14,099 --> 00:50:12,230
do think that is the case and it seems

1037
00:50:17,769 --> 00:50:14,109
that this phenomenon is handled by

1038
00:50:19,630 --> 00:50:17,779
probably by some area of that super

1039
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,640
government I mean we earlier on in this

1040
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:21,680
program he talks about Admiral of the

1041
00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:23,690
fleet Lord Hill Norton and he was a very

1042
00:50:27,999 --> 00:50:24,950
very senior member of the House for

1043
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:28,009
Lords he was one he was extremely well

1044
00:50:35,489 --> 00:50:30,920
trusted I mean he had he was a part of

1045
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:35,499
the strategy committee he was a chairman

1046
00:50:39,729 --> 00:50:38,089
he was chief of the Defence Staff he's

1047
00:50:42,670 --> 00:50:39,739
in charge of the military he was Parv

1048
00:50:44,859 --> 00:50:42,680
and NATO's strategy Committee on nuke on

1049
00:50:47,499 --> 00:50:44,869
the nuclear deterrent so he's not the

1050
00:50:49,299 --> 00:50:47,509
kind of guy that he's obviously someone

1051
00:50:52,089 --> 00:50:49,309
has mentally how his mental health very

1052
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:52,099
carefully screened she's very very

1053
00:50:54,849 --> 00:50:53,690
trusted individual he commanded a

1054
00:50:57,579 --> 00:50:54,859
battleship in the Battle of the Atlantic

1055
00:50:59,650 --> 00:50:57,589
in World War two yet Sam he was

1056
00:51:01,749 --> 00:50:59,660
basically stonewalled when he tried to

1057
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,759
make inquiries in spout there see I mean

1058
00:51:04,359 --> 00:51:02,960
basically the kind of guy who could tell

1059
00:51:07,479 --> 00:51:04,369
the Prime Minister what to do he's so

1060
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:07,489
senior but he was he was abuse fobbed

1061
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:10,130
off he was basically given you know the

1062
00:51:13,539 --> 00:51:11,450
brush-off letters and things like that

1063
00:51:16,450 --> 00:51:13,549
in response which means we're dealing

1064
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,460
with from a situation in which there's

1065
00:51:21,309 --> 00:51:18,319
there seems to be in or the level of

1066
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:21,319
secrecy way above anything we're used to

1067
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:22,170
with

1068
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:24,660
in normal field of in terms of

1069
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:26,040
confidentiality and things like that in

1070
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:28,170
terms of government departments it's

1071
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:30,510
it's aware where to look for the secrets

1072
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:32,190
and who is actually keeping them that's

1073
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,480
a good point that's a good question

1074
00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:35,460
I don't maybe I think Steve and maybe

1075
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:37,470
dr. Steven Greer may not have quite

1076
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:39,630
probed that deeply to actually to the

1077
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:41,700
point where they can actually get in

1078
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:42,780
touch with the people of keeping the

1079
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,610
secrets of course here we have Hillary

1080
00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:50,400
Clinton who is running here for the

1081
00:51:57,770 --> 00:51:54,830
presidency over here and if she has

1082
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,780
stated her interest in the subject in

1083
00:52:02,420 --> 00:52:00,240
getting whatever information released on

1084
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:02,430
UFOs and on area 51

1085
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,020
now I didn't notice that there didn't

1086
00:52:12,260 --> 00:52:09,680
seem unlike it the previous primary our

1087
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:12,270
debater or whatever they had a you know

1088
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:16,680
like at the last election where anybody

1089
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:18,420
who said that they had a UFO sighting

1090
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:22,110
was kind of you know poo-pooed and

1091
00:52:27,110 --> 00:52:25,290
before that here nobody has really

1092
00:52:28,850 --> 00:52:27,120
seemed to have taken that approach with

1093
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:28,860
the Hillary I guess she's got another

1094
00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:34,250
lot of other problems faced occur but

1095
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:36,660
apparently she's she has stated her

1096
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:38,850
interest in trying to get to the bottom

1097
00:52:44,540 --> 00:52:41,520
of this but they did that before I mean

1098
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:44,550
a Jimmy Carter of course had a UFO

1099
00:52:49,850 --> 00:52:48,420
sighting and and tried to find out what

1100
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:49,860
was going on and nobody would tell him

1101
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:51,990
and of course good old Ronald Reagan who

1102
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:54,090
should have been since he's a Republican

1103
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:56,520
he should have gotten the inner in her

1104
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:58,800
word but apparently he he knew nothing

1105
00:53:02,570 --> 00:53:00,420
and every time he tried to get up there

1106
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:02,580
and and make a speech and include aliens

1107
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:04,260
and it they they would write it out of

1108
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:05,610
his speech you'd have to write it back

1109
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:09,090
into it and of course and of course a

1110
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:12,450
bill and and Hillary even met with

1111
00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:15,210
Laurance Rockefeller as part of the

1112
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:18,510
Rockefeller initiative to try to get you

1113
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:21,810
know some information on this and you

1114
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:23,910
know the the authorities whoever the

1115
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:25,770
authorities may be like you say come

1116
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:26,970
back and say well there's nothing

1117
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:28,710
there's nothing to it and we closed

1118
00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:32,160
Project Blue Book in 1969 and we haven't

1119
00:53:35,749 --> 00:53:34,350
done any investigations since then and

1120
00:53:37,879 --> 00:53:35,759
and that's that's the

1121
00:53:41,949 --> 00:53:37,889
to be the final word I mean nobody

1122
00:53:46,099 --> 00:53:41,959
nobody has budge you know from that

1123
00:53:47,419 --> 00:53:46,109
statement in years and I think my

1124
00:53:50,889 --> 00:53:47,429
something just they're gonna stick with

1125
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:50,899
it and unless there's some massive UFO

1126
00:53:57,289 --> 00:53:54,359
wave or sighting you know over the

1127
00:53:58,969 --> 00:53:57,299
Capitol or something lands outside the

1128
00:54:00,949 --> 00:53:58,979
Pentagon even then you know the

1129
00:54:03,409 --> 00:54:00,959
government has a way of covering things

1130
00:54:05,269 --> 00:54:03,419
up in changing their changing they as

1131
00:54:08,149 --> 00:54:05,279
the the facts

1132
00:54:10,209 --> 00:54:08,159
III don't it's up to them that's what I

1133
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,219
would say if they whoever they maybe

1134
00:54:15,139 --> 00:54:12,839
want the public to know of their

1135
00:54:17,659 --> 00:54:15,149
existence they could do it in an hour

1136
00:54:20,269 --> 00:54:17,669
straight right well yeah I mean these

1137
00:54:21,859 --> 00:54:20,279
whatever these beings are this entity

1138
00:54:25,370 --> 00:54:21,869
this intelligence that is behind this

1139
00:54:26,929 --> 00:54:25,380
phenomenon obviously it's it's hard to

1140
00:54:29,179 --> 00:54:26,939
know what it's actually thinking about

1141
00:54:31,099 --> 00:54:29,189
because it's not human I mean we can't

1142
00:54:32,989 --> 00:54:31,109
put ourselves in their shoes even if

1143
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:32,999
they have two feet and two legs because

1144
00:54:38,149 --> 00:54:36,329
they may not but if we answer for more

1145
00:54:40,879 --> 00:54:38,159
thighs if we sort of say what would I do

1146
00:54:43,939 --> 00:54:40,889
if I were an alien it's it's a bit

1147
00:54:45,139 --> 00:54:43,949
tricky because in a sense they have

1148
00:54:47,179 --> 00:54:45,149
their own gender they have their own

1149
00:54:50,689 --> 00:54:47,189
outlook on the universe it may not be

1150
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:50,699
the same as ours but I mean it's far as

1151
00:54:54,499 --> 00:54:52,169
the government go I mean I actually do

1152
00:54:58,429 --> 00:54:54,509
wonder if the government seems to be so

1153
00:55:00,439 --> 00:54:58,439
good at suppression and just distortion

1154
00:55:01,789 --> 00:55:00,449
and diversion which is what they these

1155
00:55:05,439 --> 00:55:01,799
methods they use in terms of psychology

1156
00:55:07,999 --> 00:55:05,449
and propaganda that I do wonder if

1157
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,009
they're not capable of suppressing

1158
00:55:12,259 --> 00:55:10,559
information or no matter how what the

1159
00:55:15,469 --> 00:55:12,269
quality of the sighting they may well be

1160
00:55:17,469 --> 00:55:15,479
capable of them distracting people's

1161
00:55:20,899 --> 00:55:17,479
attention to the point where we deny it

1162
00:55:22,279 --> 00:55:20,909
now there have been cases of I mean the

1163
00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:22,289
Roswell the Roswell incident for

1164
00:55:25,699 --> 00:55:23,339
nineteen forty-seven happened in a

1165
00:55:26,989 --> 00:55:25,709
remote part of New Mexico where there

1166
00:55:28,399 --> 00:55:26,999
wasn't many people around it was not

1167
00:55:31,089 --> 00:55:28,409
difficult for the government to seal off

1168
00:55:34,459 --> 00:55:31,099
the area and secretly salvage the debris

1169
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:34,469
now the thing is people say well if that

1170
00:55:37,219 --> 00:55:35,819
happened in the middle of a city they

1171
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:37,229
wouldn't be able to do it because too

1172
00:55:41,749 --> 00:55:39,689
many people would see it however there

1173
00:55:43,549 --> 00:55:41,759
have been cases in large densely

1174
00:55:47,929 --> 00:55:43,559
populated urban areas of similar events

1175
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:47,939
in 1987 in 1980 in 1987 I believe there

1176
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:48,730
was a very similar

1177
00:55:53,370 --> 00:55:50,410
Duras wallet took place place in

1178
00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:53,380
Nottinghamshire England not far from the

1179
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:54,760
city of Nottingham in a very very

1180
00:56:00,480 --> 00:55:56,770
built-up area known as the Ashfield

1181
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:00,490
district in 1996 there was a an event in

1182
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:02,470
a very very similar densely populated

1183
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:05,050
region of Brazil called Virginia it's

1184
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:06,970
just almost in this just outside the

1185
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:10,990
large city so we've got to ask ourselves

1186
00:56:15,540 --> 00:56:13,900
I mean if people see something in the

1187
00:56:17,820 --> 00:56:15,550
sky look at the Phoenix lights and the

1188
00:56:19,230 --> 00:56:17,830
Phoenix lights this Phoenix is a city

1189
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,240
the size of a million people and

1190
00:56:23,940 --> 00:56:21,760
thousands of people saw this is unusual

1191
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,950
object in the sky yet and Fife Symington

1192
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:25,440
the governor of Arizona

1193
00:56:28,650 --> 00:56:27,160
successfully managed to suppress

1194
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:28,660
interest in it and he later came forward

1195
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:31,450
and confessed that he had deliberately

1196
00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:34,030
misled the public to avoid he didn't

1197
00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:35,860
want a public panic he just wanted to

1198
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:37,470
maintain law and order within the state

1199
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,000
but it makes you wonder man how many if

1200
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:42,480
he confessed how many others have not

1201
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:45,010
all right gentlemen we have a we have a

1202
00:56:52,050 --> 00:56:48,070
question here from Ryan in California

1203
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:52,060
and this is open to Ben or Steve whoever

1204
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:54,970
went to answer or both of you can Ryan

1205
00:56:59,790 --> 00:56:57,280
wants to know with the Department of

1206
00:57:02,790 --> 00:56:59,800
Defense from the UK releasing all their

1207
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:02,800
UFO files was there any mention of the

1208
00:57:16,890 --> 00:57:14,310
yeah I mean as far as I'm aware the you

1209
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:16,900
know the the raft of MOT releases which

1210
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:19,930
we've had and I believe there's still a

1211
00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:24,190
kind of 18 which files still to come

1212
00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:27,400
which the mo D said that they'd lost and

1213
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:29,470
subsequently now have found and that

1214
00:57:37,410 --> 00:57:32,290
there were due to be released for my

1215
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:37,420
knowledge there's not any MOT files

1216
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:40,030
relating to warminster as far as I'm

1217
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:43,900
aware you been I'm not familiar I'm not

1218
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,240
exactly sure what they've actually I

1219
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:48,880
know that there are more things to be

1220
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:50,020
released I mean Nick Pope has been

1221
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:51,790
talking about it about the fact there is

1222
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:53,650
another batch of files to coming out to

1223
00:58:00,720 --> 00:57:57,130
the Ministry of Defense I'm not yeah I

1224
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:00,730
mean I don't know exactly what the I'm

1225
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:02,710
not exactly sure what the

1226
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:05,680
the actual nature of the any of these

1227
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:07,450
sightings up we may have to wait to find

1228
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:08,380
out cuz I don't think they've been

1229
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:10,570
released yet I think it's coming soon so

1230
00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:13,690
who knows you never know okay what do

1231
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:18,940
you do you think then that these files

1232
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:21,700
that are being released do you think

1233
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:24,400
that they that they're really of any

1234
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:27,970
substance or they're just releasing you

1235
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:32,170
now the the the nutty files so to speak

1236
00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:33,670
you know nothing nothing that's really

1237
00:58:39,810 --> 00:58:37,600
you know meat and potatoes so to speak

1238
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:39,820
they're keeping that to themselves come

1239
00:58:48,810 --> 00:58:46,360
on gather the you guys take time what I

1240
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:48,820
mean you know I mean yeah I don't think

1241
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:50,650
there's meat and potato all much flesh

1242
00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:52,810
on these I mean most of these reports

1243
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:55,780
are ones that sent into the public to

1244
00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:00,420
the mo D themselves in fact a lot of the

1245
00:59:05,610 --> 00:59:03,070
the released files were actually

1246
00:59:08,420 --> 00:59:05,620
contained a lot of the stuff which UFO

1247
00:59:10,550 --> 00:59:08,430
investigators themselves sent out to

1248
00:59:13,260 --> 00:59:10,560
send to the MiG so these aren't

1249
00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:13,270
top-secret files although the press

1250
00:59:17,550 --> 00:59:14,950
liked to dress them up as that as when

1251
00:59:20,070 --> 00:59:17,560
they're released but yeah I think the

1252
00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:20,080
best stuffs been hidden and probably

1253
00:59:27,450 --> 00:59:23,550
won't ever come out and unfortunately

1254
00:59:30,780 --> 00:59:27,460
where do you think I mean where do you

1255
00:59:34,530 --> 00:59:30,790
think that the where's the last place

1256
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:34,540
for the for a UFO report to go I mean

1257
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:36,280
higher than the Ministry of Defense is

1258
00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:38,650
there some secret group that's keeping

1259
00:59:44,330 --> 00:59:41,020
tabs of this I mean era you know

1260
00:59:47,070 --> 00:59:44,340
sightings made by military pilots and

1261
00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:47,080
Rendlesham forest of course that doesn't

1262
00:59:52,860 --> 00:59:49,000
seem to go very high up when it was

1263
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:52,870
originally reported right well there was

1264
00:59:59,180 --> 00:59:55,380
there are witnesses have spoken from

1265
01:00:02,640 --> 00:59:59,190
from inside aviation the Armed Forces

1266
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:02,650
pilots air traffic controllers who have

1267
01:00:07,110 --> 01:00:05,110
come forward with remarkable stories and

1268
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:07,120
they've attended confidence like the

1269
01:00:10,830 --> 01:00:09,040
various hearings and various press

1270
01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:10,840
conferences it's you may have seen over

1271
01:00:15,090 --> 01:00:13,990
the years which state that they have had

1272
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:15,100
the most they've had the most remarkable

1273
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:16,330
experiences they

1274
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:18,670
put in official reports and these

1275
01:00:23,250 --> 01:00:20,770
reports they've spoken to people within

1276
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:23,260
the authorities who then take the report

1277
01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:26,710
now these are things such answer pilots

1278
01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:29,560
who have seen aircraft the size of an

1279
01:00:34,830 --> 01:00:32,440
they've seen them spacecraft or objects

1280
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:34,840
a mile across flying within a few

1281
01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:37,570
hundred feet of their aircraft and this

1282
01:00:41,180 --> 01:00:39,580
is not your man walking a dog and seen

1283
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:41,190
the light in the sky this yea no

1284
01:00:48,030 --> 01:00:45,010
definitive yet if you if you go through

1285
01:00:50,910 --> 01:00:48,040
the emoji files you won't find things

1286
01:00:52,350 --> 01:00:50,920
like that there he won't find it's

1287
01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:52,360
obviously that some of the reports are

1288
01:00:55,410 --> 01:00:54,190
not found in the emoji they're not kept

1289
01:00:58,530 --> 01:00:55,420
by the Ministry of Defense they go

1290
01:00:59,850 --> 01:00:58,540
somewhere else I mean Nick Pope says you

1291
01:01:02,160 --> 01:00:59,860
know oh well they never told me about

1292
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:02,170
this if this happened well with all due

1293
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:04,030
respect sir Nick Pope he's he was the

1294
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:05,410
public face of British you follow that

1295
01:01:08,790 --> 01:01:07,240
for many many years if he had a TV

1296
01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:08,800
program about UFOs you'd give Nick Pope

1297
01:01:12,780 --> 01:01:11,140
a call he's I mean if I had a saucer and

1298
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:12,790
a hanger to quote his phrase he's the

1299
01:01:15,690 --> 01:01:14,770
last man on earth I would tell if I

1300
01:01:20,130 --> 01:01:15,700
wanted to keep a secret

1301
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:20,140
I'm so so basically he's a he's a he's a

1302
01:01:27,900 --> 01:01:24,090
public public disinformation officer

1303
01:01:29,790 --> 01:01:27,910
whether he knows or not yeah and he in

1304
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:29,800
the perfect position to actually miss

1305
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:32,350
inform the public and even intentionally

1306
01:01:38,970 --> 01:01:36,730
unintentionally but I know that and that

1307
01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:38,980
obviously these the kind of experiences

1308
01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:40,120
you're talking about when you see these

1309
01:01:44,670 --> 01:01:42,420
these witnesses it's pretty obvious that

1310
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:44,680
these reports are not being kept by the

1311
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,150
Ministry of Defense and in their files

1312
01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:47,920
which they then get published these are

1313
01:01:50,730 --> 01:01:49,270
merely these files are merely

1314
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:50,740
confidential files they're not top

1315
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:52,810
secret now if you for instance

1316
01:01:55,980 --> 01:01:54,550
Rendlesham forest is a perhaps an

1317
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:55,990
exception in a sense that there was

1318
01:02:00,120 --> 01:01:57,930
there was an official report released

1319
01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:00,130
the Holt memorandum was released

1320
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:01,990
witnesses came forward people like Larry

1321
01:02:06,990 --> 01:02:03,790
Warren and some John Burroughs and

1322
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:07,000
others came forward after that which is

1323
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:08,530
I think maybe an indication of perhaps

1324
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:09,970
something that was meant to be

1325
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:12,160
top-secret did get into the public

1326
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:13,990
domain but there's probably likely to be

1327
01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:20,160
that's why Colonel Hart despises Larry

1328
01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:25,840
Warren articles that's a longer that's a

1329
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:27,790
long a story we did a previous show on

1330
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:29,690
that what people could find in the

1331
01:02:39,069 --> 01:02:34,640
in the archives so that's a it is indeed

1332
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,079
an interesting a tale now how about it

1333
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:41,839
wasn't there a case where a a pilot was

1334
01:02:49,450 --> 01:02:43,760
actually told to lock and load in and

1335
01:02:59,609 --> 01:02:49,460
shoot at an object in 1947 but Milton

1336
01:03:02,770 --> 01:02:59,619
Torres um you and say Steve in in he's

1337
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,780
sorry Milton Torres was a pilot he he

1338
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:04,640
was actually a scramble is his aircraft

1339
01:03:11,380 --> 01:03:07,670
scrambled in 1957 and he deployed in his

1340
01:03:12,490 --> 01:03:11,390
jet fighter and he headed he was he was

1341
01:03:14,859 --> 01:03:12,500
actually I think he was at Woodbridge

1342
01:03:17,529 --> 01:03:14,869
Bentwaters I think was it so someone in

1343
01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:17,539
that area was at the base he headed out

1344
01:03:22,210 --> 01:03:20,030
into the North Sea east of Essex and he

1345
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,220
got a massive radar return on a huge

1346
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:24,559
object and he reported this in to his

1347
01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:26,750
controllers and they said over fire

1348
01:03:31,630 --> 01:03:29,390
they said engage and destroy so he armed

1349
01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:31,640
his missiles and and was about to open

1350
01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:33,470
fiber then this often happens actually

1351
01:03:37,299 --> 01:03:35,420
with the UFO encounters the electronics

1352
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:37,309
on his aircraft failed and he was not

1353
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,529
able to actually fire but he he

1354
01:03:44,829 --> 01:03:41,839
remembered it he reported this later on

1355
01:03:46,299 --> 01:03:44,839
in his life and he spoken out about it

1356
01:03:48,779 --> 01:03:46,309
his son is actually you're speaking out

1357
01:03:51,609 --> 01:03:48,789
about it as well as a remarkable case

1358
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:51,619
well likely lucky for him though that is

1359
01:03:57,849 --> 01:03:55,970
after it failed well I mean went in

1360
01:04:00,460 --> 01:03:57,859
element in occasions when there's been

1361
01:04:02,769 --> 01:04:00,470
encounters between UFOs in terms of

1362
01:04:07,930 --> 01:04:02,779
combines in conduct combat between to

1363
01:04:09,490 --> 01:04:07,940
the humans inevitably come off worse so

1364
01:04:14,019 --> 01:04:09,500
yeah he wouldn't be around to tell the

1365
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:14,029
tale if he'd fired well what then what

1366
01:04:18,940 --> 01:04:16,490
would you say is the intelligence behind

1367
01:04:21,819 --> 01:04:18,950
these objects is there in it is there

1368
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:21,829
one intelligence or several intelligence

1369
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:25,490
or what's going on here like we're gonna

1370
01:04:29,620 --> 01:04:27,500
get it like we're gonna be able to sob

1371
01:04:31,539 --> 01:04:29,630
like we're gonna be able to solve the

1372
01:04:35,650 --> 01:04:31,549
the mystery in the last half hour

1373
01:04:37,870 --> 01:04:35,660
oh if we have unfortunate we

1374
01:04:40,299 --> 01:04:37,880
unfortunately don't seem to be actually

1375
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:40,309
um any closer to actually answering that

1376
01:04:42,890 --> 01:04:41,990
question than we were maybe 50 years ago

1377
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,900
I mean unfortunately

1378
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:44,640
we're dealing with something that it's

1379
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,410
obviously intelligent it's obviously has

1380
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:49,200
an will of its own and a consciousness

1381
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:52,049
of its own but what it is and where it

1382
01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:53,819
comes from I don't know I mean maybe

1383
01:04:59,539 --> 01:04:57,359
more than one place who knows that would

1384
01:05:03,049 --> 01:04:59,549
that would seem to be the the case and

1385
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:03,059
of course people put different

1386
01:05:10,430 --> 01:05:06,450
significance on to the the subject some

1387
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:10,440
people see it as a religious event in

1388
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:14,089
their lives other people see it as a

1389
01:05:21,380 --> 01:05:18,240
hostile invasion of the the planet and

1390
01:05:29,089 --> 01:05:21,390
others are waiting for the arrival of

1391
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:31,099
yeah all right yet demons we forgot to

1392
01:05:35,450 --> 01:05:33,690
mention that okay all right we'll save

1393
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:35,460
that for our zone it could be all those

1394
01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:37,890
things and all right none of those

1395
01:05:44,510 --> 01:05:38,990
things

1396
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:44,520
false flags it's a false a wagon oh my

1397
01:05:48,109 --> 01:05:46,619
goodness all right well we're gonna have

1398
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:48,119
our last commercial break and then we'll

1399
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:50,450
be coming back with the last half-hour

1400
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,049
would been emmalin jones see Will's Tim

1401
01:06:03,970 --> 01:05:57,839
Schwartz and me I'm Tim Buckley in case

1402
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:08,150
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1403
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:10,710
two of the most electrifying researchers

1404
01:06:21,769 --> 01:06:13,710
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1405
01:06:23,539 --> 01:06:21,779
beckylyn and ting swaps area are in the

1406
01:06:25,579 --> 01:06:23,549
last segment of exploring the bazaar and

1407
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:25,589
tonight we're talking with Ben m1 Jones

1408
01:06:37,549 --> 01:06:31,920
and Steve wills and Steve I was curious

1409
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:37,559
about the the warminster UFO flap I know

1410
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:41,430
when I was doing some just kind of warm

1411
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:44,490
up research before the show tonight I

1412
01:06:50,509 --> 01:06:47,970
ran across stay an article that just you

1413
01:06:52,849 --> 01:06:50,519
know definitively declared and and then

1414
01:06:56,089 --> 01:06:52,859
the title was you know the warminster

1415
01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:56,099
hoax and it was obvious from reading

1416
01:07:02,839 --> 01:06:59,099
this article that the the author had no

1417
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:02,849
real knowledge of what had happened but

1418
01:07:07,130 --> 01:07:04,410
but this person's mind was completely

1419
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:07,140
made up and I mean they you know they

1420
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,880
they weren't going to be dissuaded you

1421
01:07:12,890 --> 01:07:10,079
know one way or the other it is

1422
01:07:16,489 --> 01:07:12,900
definitely a hoax so you know what was

1423
01:07:18,229 --> 01:07:16,499
the the the skeptical reaction I mean at

1424
01:07:22,539 --> 01:07:18,239
the beginning and you know continuing on

1425
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:22,549
today with the warminster a UFO flap

1426
01:07:30,229 --> 01:07:26,970
well I think a lot of stems towards the

1427
01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:30,239
Gordon fault Faulkner photograph in the

1428
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:32,190
first instance though that that

1429
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:35,369
particular photo is is controversial and

1430
01:07:40,999 --> 01:07:38,940
for many people you know people say it's

1431
01:07:46,299 --> 01:07:41,009
hope some people say it isn't I mean

1432
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:46,309
I've spoken to Gordon's daughter who

1433
01:07:50,839 --> 01:07:48,690
informs me she said well you know all

1434
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:50,849
these years he's never let on to me that

1435
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:53,640
it was faked if that was the case so he

1436
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:56,480
still maintains that that photo is is

1437
01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,819
genuine but a lot of not of the may

1438
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:01,440
sayers for one of the bear word the

1439
01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:05,460
skeptics tend to pinpoint that photo and

1440
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:10,230
you know the whole raft of sightings you

1441
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:12,569
know hundreds hundreds and hundreds of

1442
01:08:18,140 --> 01:08:14,670
sightings tend to get thrown out

1443
01:08:20,540 --> 01:08:18,150
so it's generally looked upon that that

1444
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:20,550
photo and nothing else but the whole

1445
01:08:26,810 --> 01:08:23,610
phenomena if he likes you know ran for

1446
01:08:30,170 --> 01:08:26,820
at least kind of 15 years solid you know

1447
01:08:32,270 --> 01:08:30,180
so yeah I mean you know talking about

1448
01:08:33,980 --> 01:08:32,280
skeptics I mean there was kind of there

1449
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:33,990
was a guy called David Simpson in the

1450
01:08:40,340 --> 01:08:36,510
70s who kind of perpetrated a number of

1451
01:08:43,940 --> 01:08:40,350
hoaxes on you know on some of the sky

1452
01:08:46,580 --> 01:08:43,950
watches he's done this for what he

1453
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:46,590
describes as experimental reason to see

1454
01:08:52,310 --> 01:08:49,680
if you know people kind of embellish

1455
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:52,320
stuff that they they'd seen but you know

1456
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:53,640
a lot of the sightings

1457
01:08:59,900 --> 01:08:56,310
you know people seeing stuff you know up

1458
01:09:03,140 --> 01:08:59,910
on Cradle Hill you know for you know 50

1459
01:09:06,290 --> 01:09:03,150
years so I mean to you know to if you

1460
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:06,300
dragged in you know the whole phenomena

1461
01:09:11,090 --> 01:09:08,490
and throughout just because of one photo

1462
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:11,100
I think he'd be doing a Mis service

1463
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:14,850
really like that's kind of like the crop

1464
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:17,850
circles wasn't it John and Dave or David

1465
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:22,290
somebody ya know they were responsible

1466
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:24,390
for all of them I guess they must have

1467
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:27,420
had quite a few sleepless nights they

1468
01:09:32,810 --> 01:09:30,060
had insomnia they were out there in the

1469
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:32,820
dead of night with their stomping boards

1470
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:35,970
making very amateurish ik crop circles

1471
01:09:41,780 --> 01:09:37,890
now how about the more recent ones which

1472
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:41,790
are much more complex I mean are are you

1473
01:09:45,230 --> 01:09:43,530
fellows into the crop circles at all I

1474
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:45,240
mean do you see that as being legitimate

1475
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,310
or are we being true well I mean you

1476
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,520
know I mean I think we all can kind of

1477
01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:55,980
you know we all know that people do make

1478
01:10:01,520 --> 01:09:59,250
these formations but you know whether or

1479
01:10:03,650 --> 01:10:01,530
not they make all of them it's kind of

1480
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:03,660
open to debate I mean some of the very

1481
01:10:09,140 --> 01:10:06,840
first kind of basic crops that wish you

1482
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:09,150
know in their essence for the first ones

1483
01:10:15,670 --> 01:10:12,300
were very very basic in origin just just

1484
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:15,680
basic circles as the original phenomena

1485
01:10:21,710 --> 01:10:18,750
kind of you know I suppose you could

1486
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:21,720
liken it to the Tully saucer Nestle UFO

1487
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,330
landing neces what people call it a

1488
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:26,400
number of those was seen in and around

1489
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:28,140
cradle Hill

1490
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,910
Bay Hill I think a brat and in 1980s I

1491
01:10:37,730 --> 01:10:34,860
think that's really when you know crop

1492
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:37,740
circles research Colin Andrews was first

1493
01:10:41,930 --> 01:10:40,230
involved in that and that's where it

1494
01:10:43,670 --> 01:10:41,940
kind of gets its leg but before that

1495
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,680
yeah it used to be basic circles

1496
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:45,600
nowadays of course it's these elaborate

1497
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:48,810
kind of pictograms so a number that some

1498
01:10:52,580 --> 01:10:50,250
where the aliens even in the middle of

1499
01:10:54,590 --> 01:10:52,590
it some women's I mean incredible

1500
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,600
artwork I think you know it you know if

1501
01:11:00,560 --> 01:10:56,640
I think you have to tip your hat to some

1502
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:00,570
of these guys who'd do it but you know

1503
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:03,210
and thousand lead to my my you know I'd

1504
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:07,410
say you know ninety percent man mate but

1505
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:09,960
you know fantastic works of art

1506
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:12,360
nonetheless well you know I haven't I

1507
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:16,710
have a theory that since the UFO

1508
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:19,410
entities the altered terrestrials as I

1509
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:22,170
prefer to call them seem they have the

1510
01:11:30,170 --> 01:11:25,650
ability to mesmerize and control the

1511
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:30,180
minds of many people that even what

1512
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,910
makes somebody create a hoax maybe maybe

1513
01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:35,520
there maybe they are without realizing

1514
01:11:40,700 --> 01:11:39,180
it having their mind controlled to the

1515
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:40,710
extent that they actually go out there

1516
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:43,770
and and add to the phenomena whether to

1517
01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:46,440
confuse the people you know and maybe

1518
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:48,030
maybe these wholesome terrestrials want

1519
01:11:50,900 --> 01:11:49,440
to confuse people or maybe they'd I

1520
01:11:52,670 --> 01:11:50,910
don't know what direction they're

1521
01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:52,680
heading in but some of the things that

1522
01:11:59,660 --> 01:11:55,820
you think may be a hoax may actually be

1523
01:12:03,200 --> 01:11:59,670
initiated by the alter terrestrials

1524
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:03,210
themselves i I can think of a case in

1525
01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:06,300
fact I was trying to working on a a book

1526
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:08,100
is called Operation alien mind control

1527
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:11,760
and there's a case that goes back it was

1528
01:12:15,860 --> 01:12:13,320
reported by the aerial phenomena

1529
01:12:18,650 --> 01:12:15,870
research organization a pro I think in

1530
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:18,660
the late 50s or early 60s it was at a

1531
01:12:24,740 --> 01:12:22,410
seaside resort in Brazil and I've

1532
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:24,750
written this up I can't remember the the

1533
01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:27,420
name of the town but the UFO was

1534
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:29,460
actually photographed it appeared over

1535
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,170
the town I think for a couple of days in

1536
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:33,360
a row at high noon and there were

1537
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:36,060
numerous people in that town who did not

1538
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:38,370
know each other who lived in separate

1539
01:12:44,650 --> 01:12:42,050
areas who started channel

1540
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:44,660
and the messages that they received were

1541
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:49,190
remarkably similar in nature so even

1542
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:51,710
though the crafts are in the sky they

1543
01:12:58,740 --> 01:12:54,830
seem to have the ability to control the

1544
01:13:01,810 --> 01:12:58,750
minds of mirror Earthlings far below

1545
01:13:03,610 --> 01:13:01,820
yeah well yes it's an interesting I mean

1546
01:13:06,010 --> 01:13:03,620
you know you could say where where does

1547
01:13:08,620 --> 01:13:06,020
inspiration come from anyway can you but

1548
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:08,630
some yeah but I mean even if even within

1549
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:12,050
the man-made circles strange paranormal

1550
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:14,780
type experiences people who you know

1551
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:17,330
these strange balls of light seem don't

1552
01:13:21,670 --> 01:13:19,310
seem to mind whether they're man-made or

1553
01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:21,680
not they seem to be seen in and around

1554
01:13:29,410 --> 01:13:26,030
these formations people have seen what

1555
01:13:32,500 --> 01:13:29,420
they describe his shadow people in some

1556
01:13:34,570 --> 01:13:32,510
of the similarly informal other other

1557
01:13:37,150 --> 01:13:34,580
people who have had kind of healing

1558
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:37,160
experiences within manmade manmade

1559
01:13:43,450 --> 01:13:40,510
circles so it's interesting isn't it

1560
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:43,460
well you know there there seems to be no

1561
01:13:47,950 --> 01:13:46,490
no end of this I mean some people of

1562
01:13:49,780 --> 01:13:47,960
course just can't get into the groove

1563
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:49,790
they think that it's all nonsense and in

1564
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:52,340
nothing to it and it's a people's

1565
01:13:57,010 --> 01:13:54,170
fantasy you know fantasy prone

1566
01:13:59,140 --> 01:13:57,020
imagination and so forth but anybody who

1567
01:14:01,420 --> 01:13:59,150
is bothered to study this a read up on

1568
01:14:03,730 --> 01:14:01,430
it or or talk to a good you know half

1569
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:03,740
dozen or dozen witnesses realize that

1570
01:14:08,290 --> 01:14:05,990
there's something here that really does

1571
01:14:11,230 --> 01:14:08,300
have an impact and controls there are

1572
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:11,240
people's lives you know and you never

1573
01:14:16,540 --> 01:14:14,000
know what the next big thing or the next

1574
01:14:18,820 --> 01:14:16,550
big event is going to be and just when

1575
01:14:21,370 --> 01:14:18,830
you think well you know before the the

1576
01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:21,380
sightings in Chicago at the O'Hare

1577
01:14:27,010 --> 01:14:24,140
Airport there had not been a UFO

1578
01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:27,020
sighting or anything in the news for you

1579
01:14:31,780 --> 01:14:28,940
know for quite a while and then that hit

1580
01:14:35,170 --> 01:14:31,790
and it was in the news day after day

1581
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,180
after a day for probably you know how

1582
01:14:40,590 --> 01:14:38,000
the the media if they latch on to

1583
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,600
something they will fixate on it forever

1584
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:42,800
you know I mean it's like there is no

1585
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:46,130
other news event in in the world for for

1586
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:48,890
a while and so you know just when you

1587
01:14:55,810 --> 01:14:51,020
think that the subject is dead and we'll

1588
01:15:00,839 --> 01:14:55,820
never really

1589
01:15:04,569 --> 01:15:00,849
just blow a bluster into the wind yeah

1590
01:15:06,669 --> 01:15:04,579
yeah yes yeah I mean and for hunt it's

1591
01:15:11,470 --> 01:15:06,679
done this for hundreds of years if not

1592
01:15:15,370 --> 01:15:11,480
perhaps longer than than that yes

1593
01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:15,380
absolutely yeah now no Ben besides that

1594
01:15:22,660 --> 01:15:20,360
UFOs you do tackle other phenomena any

1595
01:15:24,339 --> 01:15:22,670
anything happens out there that yeah

1596
01:15:28,689 --> 01:15:24,349
yeah that you might want to tell us

1597
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:28,699
about oh well I was talking to range see

1598
01:15:33,310 --> 01:15:31,610
lady the other day who when she was a

1599
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:33,320
young girl she was

1600
01:15:38,379 --> 01:15:35,210
I'm holiday with her grandparents and

1601
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:38,389
this is an Angus in Scotland and she

1602
01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:40,010
came across she's walking down a country

1603
01:15:46,060 --> 01:15:43,070
lane she came across a a large creature

1604
01:15:48,970 --> 01:15:46,070
which was cover a humanoid upright

1605
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:48,980
ape-like creature covered in fur exactly

1606
01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:50,719
like the Bigfoot you have in North

1607
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:54,260
America and she was only seven years old

1608
01:15:59,950 --> 01:15:56,960
she turned around and ran screaming so

1609
01:16:03,850 --> 01:15:59,960
but she never forgotten it Charmaine

1610
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:03,860
Fraser her name is and this she worked

1611
01:16:07,209 --> 01:16:05,690
out that they the Bigfoot might actually

1612
01:16:09,010 --> 01:16:07,219
exist in the British Isles

1613
01:16:11,260 --> 01:16:09,020
she's really quite incredible that's a

1614
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:11,270
that son was one of the most unusual and

1615
01:16:15,879 --> 01:16:13,010
interesting things I've heard recently

1616
01:16:20,140 --> 01:16:15,889
you know speaking speaking of Scotland

1617
01:16:22,450 --> 01:16:20,150
the the Scottish UFO researcher group is

1618
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:22,460
about to have their annual convention I

1619
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:25,730
I don't remember the exact day yeah yeah

1620
01:16:35,649 --> 01:16:28,010
but it's coming up maybe the first or

1621
01:16:37,839 --> 01:16:35,659
second weekend in in June and if ok if

1622
01:16:40,810 --> 01:16:37,849
anybody was well I may have the the gal

1623
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:40,820
who runs the the conference on the on

1624
01:16:45,370 --> 01:16:43,610
the air I've got a an email out to her

1625
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:45,380
but anybody I guess who wants

1626
01:16:49,810 --> 01:16:47,360
information on that can always just

1627
01:16:52,990 --> 01:16:49,820
google what is the name of the the exact

1628
01:16:54,850 --> 01:16:53,000
name of the group do you know a fan it's

1629
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:54,860
the Scottish UFO and paranormal

1630
01:16:58,990 --> 01:16:57,650
conference 2016 showers and Dunlop is I

1631
01:17:01,870 --> 01:16:59,000
think his lady you're talking about oh

1632
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:01,880
yes Charlene's in the beam yeah mm-hmm

1633
01:17:07,750 --> 01:17:04,010
well the speakers talking about the

1634
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:07,760
spots watch you know I I I wish it was

1635
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:09,770
easier for me to travel not only

1636
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:12,170
I have a few health issues but be darned

1637
01:17:17,860 --> 01:17:13,970
if I could stand alive three hours to

1638
01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:17,870
get into an airplane that you know yeah

1639
01:17:22,770 --> 01:17:19,310
you know you quit you're cramped on

1640
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:22,780
you're cramped in once you get on and

1641
01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:25,730
before you get on it's even it's it's

1642
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:29,510
even it's even more misery that confront

1643
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:32,150
you you know I I mean it it bog it

1644
01:17:36,220 --> 01:17:34,010
bother it really boggles the mind why

1645
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:36,230
they can't get this a little bit better

1646
01:17:40,810 --> 01:17:38,810
you know organized though why would take

1647
01:17:44,020 --> 01:17:40,820
three hours to go through a couple of

1648
01:17:46,770 --> 01:17:44,030
metal detectors and be Pat it down you

1649
01:17:49,540 --> 01:17:46,780
know I don't know it's just yeah it's

1650
01:17:51,970 --> 01:17:49,550
got me it's got not selling it's lonely

1651
01:17:55,420 --> 01:17:51,980
oh no it's got me going back on the

1652
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:55,430
train and the bus and taking and what

1653
01:18:00,250 --> 01:17:57,410
I'm taking more and taking more local

1654
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:00,260
trips yeah start saying you can't get

1655
01:18:07,150 --> 01:18:03,370
Scotland by my bus from Manhattan Jim

1656
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:07,160
well you know I did take a course on my

1657
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:09,530
trip to England back there in the 80s I

1658
01:18:18,670 --> 01:18:13,490
did take the the night coach from London

1659
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:18,680
to to Inverness and I must say oh it was

1660
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:23,330
the loveliest scenery that I have ever

1661
01:18:28,030 --> 01:18:26,450
seen anywhere in the world and I have I

1662
01:18:30,190 --> 01:18:28,040
have been to Tahiti I've been through

1663
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:30,200
the Southwest I mean that I've been to a

1664
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:34,330
lot of places but just you know rolling

1665
01:18:40,090 --> 01:18:37,730
hills and Grant greenery like you can't

1666
01:18:46,810 --> 01:18:40,100
imagine no wonder no wonder Nessie has

1667
01:18:51,010 --> 01:18:46,820
made its home there is lovely but why

1668
01:18:55,570 --> 01:18:51,020
come the last week of September the fog

1669
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:55,580
rolls in and and the it gets really

1670
01:19:02,560 --> 01:18:59,600
really damp I mean it and and in town

1671
01:19:06,430 --> 01:19:02,570
the town of Inverness closes up in fact

1672
01:19:09,490 --> 01:19:06,440
for some reason I took the last I guess

1673
01:19:11,620 --> 01:19:09,500
the last weekend before the you know the

1674
01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:11,630
close of the season and I stayed at a

1675
01:19:17,140 --> 01:19:14,150
bed-and-breakfast very very charming

1676
01:19:19,230 --> 01:19:17,150
elderly lady in fact when she found out

1677
01:19:22,510 --> 01:19:19,240
that I had spoken at the House of Lords

1678
01:19:25,870 --> 01:19:22,520
she invited all her friends including

1679
01:19:28,420 --> 01:19:25,880
and the milkman and and the postman and

1680
01:19:30,850 --> 01:19:28,430
and and so forth and some of them had

1681
01:19:33,490 --> 01:19:30,860
some very good UFO sightings that took

1682
01:19:35,050 --> 01:19:33,500
place either directly over the Loch or

1683
01:19:37,570 --> 01:19:35,060
in the woods nearby

1684
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:37,580
and one of my favorite stories is how

1685
01:19:45,010 --> 01:19:42,250
the milkman said that he would not drive

1686
01:19:47,740 --> 01:19:45,020
by that big mansion on the other side of

1687
01:19:50,290 --> 01:19:47,750
the lock that was occupied by the

1688
01:19:55,090 --> 01:19:50,300
rock-and-roll star because every time he

1689
01:19:57,580 --> 01:19:55,100
would drive by there his the dog his pet

1690
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,590
dog that would happen the in the van

1691
01:20:01,120 --> 01:19:58,880
with him while he delivered him up would

1692
01:20:03,940 --> 01:20:01,130
go crazy and eat up the upholstery

1693
01:20:06,370 --> 01:20:03,950
mm-hmm and of course that was the the

1694
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:06,380
mansion that was rented previously by

1695
01:20:19,300 --> 01:20:09,920
Aleister Crowley and later on by the Led

1696
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:19,310
Zeppelin yeah so Jim and and of course

1697
01:20:23,500 --> 01:20:20,690
now I've done a little research

1698
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:23,510
I know Kenneth Anger who I met under

1699
01:20:28,570 --> 01:20:26,480
very strange circumstances you know he

1700
01:20:33,310 --> 01:20:28,580
stayed there for a while and actually

1701
01:20:38,980 --> 01:20:33,320
got I guess Led Zeppelin to do the theme

1702
01:20:40,780 --> 01:20:38,990
for his little underground movie but

1703
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:40,790
then but then the tapes disappeared and

1704
01:20:45,490 --> 01:20:42,170
there was a whole rigmarole about that

1705
01:20:47,620 --> 01:20:45,500
and I was gonna say heads were gonna

1706
01:20:49,330 --> 01:20:47,630
roll and they certainly did because some

1707
01:20:52,030 --> 01:20:49,340
of the people who had rented that

1708
01:20:52,750 --> 01:20:52,040
particular man should claim that at

1709
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:52,760
night

1710
01:20:58,390 --> 01:20:54,890
something strange would roll down the

1711
01:20:59,380 --> 01:20:58,400
hallway and it looked like the the the

1712
01:21:03,910 --> 01:20:59,390
head of somebody who had been

1713
01:21:07,450 --> 01:21:03,920
decapitated he's a legend Aleister

1714
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,460
Crowley see isochrone carried out a

1715
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:08,960
spell there called the amber melon

1716
01:21:14,350 --> 01:21:11,210
working which was one of the most

1717
01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:14,360
dangerous spells you can actually do and

1718
01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:15,620
he did this in I think it was around

1719
01:21:21,610 --> 01:21:18,860
about 1900s turn the 20th century but he

1720
01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:21,620
got a letter from his solicitor on these

1721
01:21:25,150 --> 01:21:23,150
halfway through this spell which takes

1722
01:21:27,010 --> 01:21:25,160
six months to perform basically saying

1723
01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:27,020
he was in trouble someone was suing him

1724
01:21:30,250 --> 01:21:28,640
so he basically dropped everything and

1725
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:30,260
went to Paris to deal with this legal

1726
01:21:34,750 --> 01:21:32,570
situation in France and he left the

1727
01:21:35,799 --> 01:21:34,760
spell unfinished and that's extremely

1728
01:21:38,770 --> 01:21:35,809
arduous and

1729
01:21:42,339 --> 01:21:38,780
that is why burlesque in houses and is

1730
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:42,349
so is hotbed of paranormal activity to

1731
01:21:47,529 --> 01:21:46,159
this day well I would go ahead well I'm

1732
01:21:51,459 --> 01:21:47,539
just gonna say you know that that place

1733
01:21:53,109 --> 01:21:51,469
just burned down not too long ago you

1734
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:53,119
know had a big fire there that's all

1735
01:22:00,339 --> 01:21:56,510
right well shame

1736
01:22:03,129 --> 01:22:00,349
that's a paranormal clip it was

1737
01:22:05,979 --> 01:22:03,139
destroyed some people claimed that of

1738
01:22:10,209 --> 01:22:05,989
course Aleister Crowley was responsible

1739
01:22:18,270 --> 01:22:10,219
for creating the Loch Ness monster

1740
01:22:28,029 --> 01:22:23,560
reputation for stroking the media of the

1741
01:22:31,390 --> 01:22:28,039
day and and so I I do suspect that we

1742
01:22:35,500 --> 01:22:31,400
can only take a small portion of what he

1743
01:22:39,819 --> 01:22:35,510
said at at the face value sorry Aleister

1744
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,829
if you're listening it's the other Tim

1745
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:42,320
who said that yeah I think people have

1746
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:43,969
been were seeing the Loch Ness monster

1747
01:22:48,069 --> 01:22:46,010
long before Aleister Crowley was in the

1748
01:22:53,950 --> 01:22:48,079
area well I think the first sighting

1749
01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:53,960
goes to maybe 1500 or cell 1540 st. help

1750
01:22:59,859 --> 01:22:56,710
me out here cuz I'm not a Catholic saint

1751
01:23:02,200 --> 01:22:59,869
somebody or other st. Columba yes

1752
01:23:03,790 --> 01:23:02,210
Columbo yeah that was actually that was

1753
01:23:06,729 --> 01:23:03,800
rough yeah I think I was the fifth

1754
01:23:08,979 --> 01:23:06,739
century was much older but he apparently

1755
01:23:10,689 --> 01:23:08,989
saw this creature in when he was

1756
01:23:12,850 --> 01:23:10,699
crossing over the river Ness near Loch

1757
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:12,860
Ness and apparently the creature

1758
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:14,449
attacked him in the boat or something

1759
01:23:17,919 --> 01:23:16,489
but he said prayers and he went away I

1760
01:23:24,899 --> 01:23:17,929
thought you were going to say attacked

1761
01:23:32,919 --> 01:23:29,080
there's a fellow he's since deceased by

1762
01:23:34,839 --> 01:23:32,929
the name of holiday I don't remember his

1763
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:34,849
first name like FW holiday or something

1764
01:23:38,919 --> 01:23:36,800
Frank I think he's nice Frank oh yeah

1765
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:38,929
Frank holiday who who who wrote a couple

1766
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:42,530
of books on on Loch Ness and even had an

1767
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:45,530
incident involving the the men in black

1768
01:23:52,590 --> 01:23:49,520
who watched him from the shoreline

1769
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:52,600
and he he said that throughout England

1770
01:24:00,940 --> 01:23:57,280
in many of the old cathedrals there were

1771
01:24:04,830 --> 01:24:00,950
carvings figures on the cathedral walls

1772
01:24:12,630 --> 01:24:04,840
like gargoyles and stuff of dragons and

1773
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:12,640
etchings of disks so apparently this

1774
01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:16,880
phenomena unlocked NASA sea serpents

1775
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:20,900
UFOs have been combined together over

1776
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:23,600
the centuries almost as if it were you

1777
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:26,690
know one one item and not not separated

1778
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,210
until modern times I think it's only in

1779
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:32,960
recent time since 1947 that ufologists

1780
01:24:40,420 --> 01:24:38,110
decided that the ETH extra-terrestrial

1781
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:40,430
hypothesis was the only one that

1782
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:44,000
deserved any form of recognition and I

1783
01:24:49,390 --> 01:24:47,060
think that you can't prove it kind of

1784
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:49,400
can't disprove it either except that if

1785
01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:51,920
you look at all the the evidence and all

1786
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:55,550
the reports it they do not behave as if

1787
01:25:01,330 --> 01:24:57,770
they were astronauts now I don't expect

1788
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:01,340
them to behave like we would go you know

1789
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:02,960
if we went to the moon or something but

1790
01:25:08,230 --> 01:25:05,570
boy do they act bizarre you know I mean

1791
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:08,240
am i right but I mean they're just most

1792
01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:10,370
of these cases are just totally totally

1793
01:25:17,020 --> 01:25:15,620
off-the-wall yeah I mean a lot of when

1794
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:17,030
people have these experiences they're

1795
01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:19,970
often in it's almost like they enter

1796
01:25:22,180 --> 01:25:21,260
another state of consciousness or

1797
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:22,190
they're they're very physically

1798
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:24,530
powerfully affected like Dee the lady

1799
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:25,970
that Steve was talking about in

1800
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:28,610
Warminster and who was hit by a sonic

1801
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:31,730
boom very often they they find

1802
01:25:35,770 --> 01:25:34,370
themselves thinking and doing and saying

1803
01:25:39,070 --> 01:25:35,780
things they wouldn't normally think and

1804
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:39,080
do and Jenny Randall's you follow gist

1805
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:41,840
she has a phrase called the odds factor

1806
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:42,650
that's correct

1807
01:25:47,470 --> 01:25:45,920
sort of it's it's like the winner when

1808
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:47,480
you're in its no it's not just you see

1809
01:25:50,380 --> 01:25:48,890
something strange when when this thing

1810
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,390
appears you it's like you're suddenly

1811
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:52,880
found yourself in a a world almost like

1812
01:25:57,939 --> 01:25:55,610
you go nuts on one hand of ours

1813
01:25:59,320 --> 01:25:57,949
and you you're not it's almost like

1814
01:26:02,919 --> 01:25:59,330
you're in a different world when this

1815
01:26:05,890 --> 01:26:02,929
things around you know fellas I hate to

1816
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:05,900
cut this cut you short but we're down to

1817
01:26:11,109 --> 01:26:08,570
the last four or five minutes here four

1818
01:26:13,570 --> 01:26:11,119
minutes till closing and I want to give

1819
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:13,580
the both of you Ben and Steve the

1820
01:26:18,340 --> 01:26:16,489
opportunity to tell us what you're up to

1821
01:26:20,770 --> 01:26:18,350
how people can reach you what your

1822
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:20,780
websites are our Facebook the next

1823
01:26:23,459 --> 01:26:22,489
events so when we start out with you

1824
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:23,469
Steve

1825
01:26:30,669 --> 01:26:26,710
okay well like I said I'm currently

1826
01:26:32,859 --> 01:26:30,679
working on a book project with John

1827
01:26:37,359 --> 01:26:32,869
hands which will be a wheelchair edition

1828
01:26:40,510 --> 01:26:37,369
of UFO sightings from which wall mister

1829
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:40,520
will be be fairly heavy and will be in

1830
01:26:45,660 --> 01:26:43,489
take it on so yeah look out look out for

1831
01:26:47,979 --> 01:26:45,670
that one that's coming out someone soon

1832
01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:47,989
if people want to reach me they can

1833
01:26:53,649 --> 01:26:50,540
catch me via the Facebook page which is

1834
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:53,659
warminster UFO Stein watching hopefully

1835
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,090
there'll be a dedicated website up soon

1836
01:27:00,970 --> 01:26:58,159
anyway but yeah that's the best way to

1837
01:27:03,459 --> 01:27:00,980
contact me very very fabulous material

1838
01:27:05,169 --> 01:27:03,469
information there and and then where do

1839
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:05,179
people go to see your documentaries your

1840
01:27:09,370 --> 01:27:06,710
movie and they're quite they're quite

1841
01:27:10,990 --> 01:27:09,380
phenomenal I mean III I take them

1842
01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:11,000
seriously but I get a good chuckle out

1843
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,710
of them you you're you're a really good

1844
01:27:17,410 --> 01:27:14,480
journalist man and you got your heart

1845
01:27:18,580 --> 01:27:17,420
into it and you know how to get down

1846
01:27:20,830 --> 01:27:18,590
with the public

1847
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:20,840
well thanks mate well I'm I've got a

1848
01:27:24,879 --> 01:27:23,840
website which is HPA nwl hospital

1849
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,889
porters against the New World Order

1850
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:26,960
there's a main site which is also a

1851
01:27:29,859 --> 01:27:28,369
portal to all my other sites which

1852
01:27:32,260 --> 01:27:29,869
includes my youtube channel Ben the

1853
01:27:34,689 --> 01:27:32,270
junior port or junior Porter it's

1854
01:27:36,669 --> 01:27:34,699
actually originally jay-ar where I put

1855
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:36,679
up videos every so often I'm like Steve

1856
01:27:41,140 --> 01:27:38,449
I'm writing a book at the moment and

1857
01:27:42,340 --> 01:27:41,150
it's cool um II finished Ashley so

1858
01:27:42,729 --> 01:27:42,350
hopefully that will be available very

1859
01:27:46,090 --> 01:27:42,739
soon

1860
01:27:47,950 --> 01:27:46,100
it's called Roswell rising a novel of

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disclosure and it's a fictionalized

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account of my various ideas to do with

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the UFO issue and the disclosure and me

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of it which we've been talking about

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what what's your latest upload on

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youtube well I'm a she uploaded

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something right now which is called UFO

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disclosure 2016

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probe she's actually had a conference

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about I've been to so it's a report on a

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conference of just being too so well I

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hope yeah I hope you record the the

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conference in Warminster for all of

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those who can't be there and you know I

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wish there was a way that I could send a

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little video chat or something to tell

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about my sighting so maybe we can work

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on that too oh whoa yeah yeah definitely

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one absolutely yes

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anyway we have come to a the close of

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another episode of exploring the bizarre

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and Tim we've been on I think we're up

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to about almost 40 episodes or something

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like that I mean we've been going

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gung-ho on this now for four for quite a

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while and then our youtube channel is

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available we've got a probably eighty or

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ninety of videos up at mr. ufos secret

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files where you can just type in Tim

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Buckley go to Amazon type in Tim Buckley

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go to youtube type in Tim Buckley go to

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Google type in Tim Buckley but don't

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believe half of what you read yeah

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that's right and be on the lookout for

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our new book as well just just out today

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indeed it is and anyway we will be back

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next week and tell your friends and

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invite them over and turn up the sound

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and get ready to explore the bizarre

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good night everybody

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good night Tim good night Ben good night

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you've been listening to explore in the

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bazaars with hosts Timothy Beck knee and

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01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:54,910
T Swartz they're taking back the night

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by jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their combatants

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Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

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10:00 p.m. EST on the kc o our digital

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radio net for more information on

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exploring the bazaars and hosts Timothy

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Beckley and Tim Swartz check out their K

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cor digital radio network follow their